What just happened? Part deux

I was looking over the handy-dandy map (yum! maps!) of primary results, both Democratic and Republican, over at the New York Times. It’s unusual that we get a semi-useful breakdown (since this map is counties, not Congressional districts) of how “blue” the Democratic vote is and how “red” the GOP vote is. Instead of the usual 2 or 3 candidates for the presidential race, you get to see results for over a dozen. A valuable snapshot of who we are here in the state, one we won’t see again for another four years, most likely.

One minor thing I’m pretty intrigued by is the Ron Paul-Mike Huckabee split. I honestly thought Ron Paul was going to do better, keeping in mind how well Ross Perot did in ’92. Did Huckabee snag some voters otherwise inclined to vote for Paul? How much campaign presence did Huckabee have up here?

As for the Democratic side, no results were particularly surprising. (And there was Tompkins County being its special self!) Clinton had a wider margin of victory in New York’s more rural and/or depressed areas. I’d have to say that my previous theory about Obama benefiting from voter-rage, didn’t exactly pan out. Not going to spin that one — I was, as the Fonz used to say, wwwwr-wwwwwrr-wrrrrong.

Obama did quite well, but didn’t quite knock it out of the park. (If Onondaga County had wound up with similar numbers to Monroe County, then I think that would be a sign he did.) One thing I don’t think we’ll ever know, though, is just how much of the Obama vote in New York was an “anything but Hillary” vote. More questions than answers, for me.

12 thoughts on “What just happened? Part deux

  1. Phil

    I saw Huckabee banners hanging from the Spencer St. bridge over 81 North yesterday. The only Ron Paul yard signs I saw left with the family that sold their house near the old Peter’s Market on Colvin St. and moved a couple of weeks ago. In the city is was all dueling Hillary/Obama signs.

    Huckabee is said to be plugged into two independent networks that volunteer for him: home schoolers and white Baptist evangelicals. I wonder how much that really conservative church on Rt. 11 out in N. Syracuse worked for Huckabee?

    As for the city, according to an e-mail from the Syracuse for Obama group, the vote total in the city now stands at HRC: 6,001 and Obama: 6,001. Yep, a tie. This was before the recanvassing of the machines and counting affidavits and absentee ballots. Barack carried all the southside and east/University wards, including the powerhouse 17th ward. Fits in with the general shorthand African-Americans, young folks and those with more education.

  2. Mrs. Mecomber

    Huckabee had Chuck Norris on his side. I think people were afraid (*snicker*).

    I’m surprised Ron Paul didn’t do better, either, but the media did a terrific job hiding his presence. A lot of people I spoke to who claimed themselves as “very informed” had not even heard of Paul.

    I was hoping Kucinich would get the Democratic nomination, heh heh. I’d support him over Romney and McCain as well.

    And you’re right– the analysts are tearing apart the electorate! Can’t we even breathe without being accused of inhaling “Democratic” or “Republican” air?!

  3. JS

    Mrs. Mecomber…I agree about the media.

    Listening to Cambell Brown (as representative of almost any ‘mainstream’ journalist) ask Huckabee questions, really all I could think about was the force of the media in driving elections. She assumed that Huckabee was draining votes from Romney (rather than the other way around), and repeatedly asked questions that put Huckabee on the defensive.

    And I’d love to see Ron Paul in office. To clarify my earlier post (under the first ‘What just happened?’), my vote for Paul wouldn’t be in protest. It’s the paradox for me, that the current paradigm is broken, the US has attained ‘Empire’ (with all of its accompanying signs of moral, cultural, ecological and financial decay), and that Ron Paul offers a sense of return to the first principles and original intent of this nation.

    That said, I’d be worried to see how the multi-nationals would operate, given Paul’s position of allowing the market to dictate ecological (and derivatively moral standards). I think we’re at a point of what Jefferson described as intergenerational tyranny, based on his belief that “the earth belongs in usufruct to the living”, as a form of trust for future generations. When we liquidate cultural and ecological capital, we essentially bind future generations to our debts, driven by current paradigms of consumerism, relativism and accepted economic theory. Taking the gloves off this GATT/WTO fueled system would only feed this positive feedback loop of ecological and cultural destruction, as the world shifts even more toward standardization and homogenization.

    I think Paul’s position there risks intensification of that. It’s the basic sovereign versus corporation issue. Corporations move more rapidly and outwit the sovereign every time. But if we favor the alleged ‘free’ market model (which how free of competition can there really be where corporations such as Exxon receive BILLIONS in subsidies), there’s a premium on destroying natural resources and even species, since as something becomes more scarce, the more financial value you can trade for it. That only incentivizes destruction of our natural world.

    There’s got to be a third yet unlived truth. Or we’re done for!

  4. Mrs. Mecomber

    Another thing about the surprising non-support for Ron Paul– the reason why he didn’t garner more support is because Republicans didn’t vote for him. Think about that for a second.

    Paul is widely popular among independent-thinkers, non-partisans, young people, and other non-party-thinkers. He has a smattering of supporters in the Rep and Dem parties, but not enough to make a difference, and certainly not enough to have put a dent in the Repub primary.

    How many states have such a restrictive, closed voting system as NY? You can ONLY vote within your party to which you are a registered member. This worked against Paul, who has supporters across the board, and with most of whom are very independent.

    I have a friend who switched parties- from Dem to Independent, thinking he could vote for anyone in the primaries this way, either Dem or Repub or Ind. He was dismayed to discover that he could only vote for an Indep.

    The control-freak, partisan method of voting only within your registered party stinks, especially when the Powers That Be control the pool of candidates.

  5. Ellen

    I admit I haven’t read too much about Paul but I know enough to expect he would have appeal in upstate NY.

    I don’t know a whole lot about Huckabee either; he’s an evangelical but I think he’s an interesting strain. It’s like they’re mutating into a new evolutionary form. (hee hee)

    I’m probably splitting hairs but – speaking from my biased position as a still-registered Dem – I am not comfortable with the fact that he somehow found a way into the Upstate electorate through the home-schooling ducts.

    We used to be pretty insulated from evangelical Republican incursions, I would guess mainly because megachurches are not a hugely thriving business here.

    I sometimes wonder what would really happen here if New York City and its hugely dampening effect on Upstate politics suddenly *disappeared*. Would our long habits of (perhaps forced) political civility hold on to some degree, or would the lid blow off and everyone would just go completely nutso extremist?

  6. Simon St.Laurent

    I sometimes wonder what would really happen here if New York City and its hugely dampening effect on Upstate politics suddenly *disappeared*. Would our long habits of (perhaps forced) political civility hold on to some degree, or would the lid blow off and everyone would just go completely nutso extremist?

    Wow. Now that’s a question I have to ponder for Upstate 2050!

  7. JS

    Mrs. Mecomber:

    I agree completely about the closed and oppressive system of voting in NYS. It’s almost amazing to think how almost completely that we (as a People) have acquiesced in the limits and restrictions, imposed by our leaders, on our ability to vote.

    I’ll check out Paul’s book…thanks for the recommendation!

    Another aside, it’s honestly sad how the media, but more importantly, the other candidates brushed aside Mr. Paul during the debates. They apparently have decided that his questions and thoughts don’t even merit a response.

  8. Robinia

    blush… um, ya know, Tompkins isn’t all that special, just more, kinda, first. Young, wired-connected, high initiative, too dumb to know why it can’t be done. Lots of what we do looks crazy until everybody else starts doing it, too. Happened with email, could happen with Obama.

  9. Robinia

    naw… but more people bothered to use email earlier than other places, for real– partly had to do with how small the town is and how many people got an email account by dint of being Cornell-related in some way.

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